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> There’s also a bunch of rationalist decision theory stuff which I think make obvious how they were concocted to serve this type of narrative in the first place, instead for being broadly useful, Yud posing as a decision theory trailblazer notwithstanding. Anna Salamon talked about that obliquely after [CFAR](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/CFAR) burned out in 2020. > I think CFAR's actions were far from the kind of straight-forward, sincere attempt to increase rationality, compared to what people might have hoped for from us, or compared to what a relatively untraumatized 12-year-old up-and-coming-LWer might expect to see from adults who said they were trying to save the world from AI via learning how to think...I didn't say things I believed false, but I did choose which things to say in a way that was more manipulative than I let on, and I hoarded information to have more control of people and what they could or couldn't do in the way of pulling on CFAR's plans in ways I couldn't predict, and so on. Its the same old story as the Libertarians who tell each other they are conning the Liberals, and just have one thing in common with the facists and oligarchs. Most of these people think they are conning everyone around them and can spread their favourite crazy idea and not be infected by everyone else's.