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Post #2729845

2026-04-30 16:23 UTC

I actually find this lemma quite surprising. A priori, I would expect this map \(1 \to 2\) to correspond to some sort of infinitesimal probability. But apparently the axioms here rule this out. Currently I'm trying to work out how much these axioms can be weakened. The proof relies heavily on the assumption that \(\mathcal{C}_\mathrm{det}\) is Boolean, but this is very strong. It would be great to apply this idea to toposes or similar to construct canonical probability monads. If \(\mathcal{C}_\mathrm{det}\) has enough structure to construct a Dedekind real numbers object and a subobject classifier, we can define a kernel \(b: [0,1] \to \Omega\), given by sampling a stream from \(u: 1 \to 2^\mathbb{N}\), viewing it as the binary expansion of a real number in the interval, and comparing it with the input. One can try to ask under what assumptions this family of distributions satisfies the expected equations (\(b(x) \wedge b(y) = b(xy), \neg b(x) = b(1-x)\) , etc). I think I have some ideas here but this is still work in progress.

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  • @eigil@mathstodon.xyz 2026-04-30 17:04

    An interesting question here is whether there exists such a category where \(\mathcal{C}_\mathrm{det} \cong \mathsf{Set}\), or more generally a commutative monad on \(\mathsf{Set}\) so that the Kleisli category has Kolmogorov products. The Vitali sets prove that it can't be given by the ordinary distribution monad on countable sets, but doesn't rule out some more exotic construction. It is interesting to ask which, say, toposes, admit a probability monad with Kolmogorov products which behaves "as expected", maybe formalized by saying the distributions on the natural numbers object should all be discrete, i.e given by a point of the countable-dimensional simplex.

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