Post #252296

2026-02-10 12:26 UTC

@grumpygamer@mastodon.gamedev.place Part of what entitles the bar to ID is that there is a very standard and "checks and balances" definition of alcoholic beverage published by the government and not, you know, whatever advertisers and visa and mastercard are currently feeling deserving of a threat to shut down the bar's complete access to the most basic payment services, based entirely on the vibes of whomever is currently writing the most complaint emails to them (usually a fundamentalist religious nutjob).

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@elrohir@mastodon.gal 2026-02-10 12:28

@grumpygamer@mastodon.gamedev.place Like, I WOULD oppose bar IDing too if the ID was asked of me for any item of the menu that some sunday church fanboy says is an instrument of the devil.

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@acb@mastodon.social 2026-02-10 12:54

@elrohir@mastodon.gal @cstross@wandering.shop @grumpygamer@mastodon.gamedev.place Also, when you go to a bar, Google/Experian/Oracle don’t get a database row saying that Joe Bloggs, ID number hash ——, has a preference for mid-strength amber ales and salt & vinegar crisps or whatever, to correlate with their existing data about your phone usage, credit card purchases, financial status, political views and sexual proclivities

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@dymaxion@infosec.exchange 2026-02-10 16:58

@elrohir@mastodon.gal @grumpygamer@mastodon.gamedev.place And even there, in the US many bars are basically scanning your ID and giving a copy to Fred these days.

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@jwz@mastodon.social 2026-02-10 20:21

@elrohir@mastodon.gal @grumpygamer@mastodon.gamedev.place Boy do I have some bad news for you about how liquor licensing actually works. Most state and city boards impose truly egregious surveillance requirements on business owners who can't afford to fight back, because they make these demands when the business is at its most vulnerable (over budget, late, and trying to get open). They do this extrajudicially, through "permit conditions" rather than actual laws. State and local cops look at Ring and say "hold my beer".

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