Post #2068026

2026-04-30 17:20 UTC

The current situation is that AI is negatively affecting the globe's societies on various levels. Be it by having disastrous ecological costs attached to it, by having disastrous psychological effects on many people and by completely shifting how information is generated, distributed and verified. Where even more knowledgeable people totally misunderstand how AI works and make critical decisions based on its outputs. And you want to discuss this tiny minority of people who are fundamentally against AI? I agree that these people certainly are motivated by their own biases instead of only facts, but so are you and I. Why is it so important for you to have this discussion in favor of AI then? You don't really seem to understand the limitations of AI and seem biased yourself. It would certainly be a more productive discussion to directly focus on your feelings towards AI (some kind of hope I'd guess?) than trying to focus on why others are of a different opinion. And maybe just so you can learn *why* the anarchist utopia where AI plays a big role isn't a realistic one.

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@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-02 18:02

AI isn't affecting shit. Shitty corporate capitalists are using AI as an excuse to suppress wages and cut jobs. Just like they did with robotics and like they do with literally every technology. The issue is social not technological.

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@MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-01 03:55

I am bringing up this because this "minority" has been and is continuing to attack our community, and no one speaks up against it or calls it out for what it is. FuckAI's philosophy is to attack and berate others until they listen to them or shut up. Even when their arguments don't mean shit. You might not think these people are a problem but that's because you haven't dealt with their spam and abuse. They're ultimately just allowed to do that. I'm not doing this to get through to them. That's about as useless as getting through to flat earthers (yeah that's right I compared you all to flat earthers, you're just as resistant to logic and reason as they are). However it can help others more willing to see this pattern. Which is why I wrote this. >Why is it so important for you to have this discussion in favor of AI then? Mainly because I like to approach things in a factual way and not on the basis of someone else's appeal to emotion. Which is what the FuckAI train largely is. When you see them accusing us of destroying the environment running AI models on our GPUs, that's not logical. It's them attempting to justify their disdain using a talking point that doesn't apply to this situation. [@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/db0) created AI horde to address both environmental issues, as well as corporate control issues since they're made by us for us. They don't need Datacenters and oceans of water to cool them. They use as much power as gaming. I'm sure there's a [Carbon footprint argument](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/big-oil-coined-carbon-footprints-to-blame-us-for-their-greed-keep-them-on-the-hook) waiting to be uttered (neolibs love that one). >You don’t really seem to understand the limitations of AI Where have I heard this one before... Oh yeah. It was people complaining and saying open source models aren't ready for primetime and people need to use corporate ones. That was [wrong back then](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/64761708/24774378), and is even more wrong now. Although I'm sure you'll invent other problems which were already solved in similar manners. >It would certainly be a more productive discussion to directly focus on your feelings towards AI (some kind of hope I’d guess?) than trying to focus on why others are of a different opinion. See it's interesting, this is exactly what flat Earthers do when you challenge their view with facts and evidence related to the earth being round. They claim you have an emotional attachment to the globe earth. And in many cases it's the same with arguments from anti-AI people. The irony is that in both cases it's an extreme case of projection. And in both instances it's a case of them both not wanting to listen to the facts based on, say it with me, "Personal feelings" toward the subject. >And maybe just so you can learn why the anarchist utopia where AI plays a big role isn’t a realistic one. Now you're just putting words in our mouths since neither me nor db0 said AI will play a *large* role in anarchist society, but it will play a role. It's not going away no matter how much you dislike it. Also this sounds way to close to anti-anarchism apologia which affirms the position of capitalism as the status quo. I really hope you didn't intend that and it was just poor choice of words. I think with that last part it's clear any further conversation will not be useful or logical, considering you ultimately fell into many of the same pitfalls I described in the post itself. More or less. It's just going to be a bunch of arguing and you trying to use ad-hominems against me.

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@cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-02 11:17

Ai isn't doing shit. There is no ai, and there won't be til we stop wasting resources and research on the slop machine.

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