Post #2035294

2026-05-05 18:32 UTC

@bakuninboys how do people see UBI being implemented, when the state itself has a bourgois character? Like, in order to maintain the capitalist order, it doesnt benefit the bourgois to give into it, unless it is the only way to prevent insurrection. But at that point, surely the working class should fight for the insurrection and not a "nicer" capitalism? I recognize that we can fight for incremental change until the revolutionary moment, but I dont see how that incremental change should be what is fought for, over broader issues. Like one can implement UBI but still live in an alienated society - it seems to be a very limited proposition.

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@bakuninboys@aus.social 2026-05-05 22:06

@opfez we are not fighting the bourgeois. If we were, we'd win, we outnumber them by a lot. We are fighting the ideology of capitalism itself. The bourgeois spends a lot on feeding ideology to people, keeping them fighting each other. We need to move the "Overton window", but an important aspect of that is giving dignity to good people. People who work for society, for their community, we need it to be a point of pride. That's how we get more of us. Even the people who disagree will see a stable system and will not want change. Then we keep building. Money and the state are tied at the hip. When everyone has enough, it loses power. When people are solving problems without transactions, money loses power. When money loses power, the state loses power.

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