Post #1911883

@tj I'd argue this applies not only to web developers (who keep trying to hide them outright), but also all OS designers who keep working harder and harder and harder to make them all but invisible + unusable! 🤬 Among other annoyances in this category are: 1) Scrollbars that are often now too thin to even aim at, which is made worse by 2) Scrollbars that are not visible by default, and will disappear mere seconds after the most recent scrolling interaction ends 3) And even when they are visible + not too thin, they are configured to be very low contrast + translucent... Having lived through the 90's / early 2000's ugly grey MS Windows type scrollbars, I can understand why a lot of people are scarred from that experience. But IMO, most designers took the wrong lessons from those. Key things we should've done different: * Changed from "click to go up/down a page" (i.e. mostly pointless) to opening up "click anywhere to scroll there" (which is what a few enlightened designs do) * Instead of making them smaller and smaller and less visible, we should've tackled instead the problem that they were no offering enough value, and instead leaned in *hard* on covering them in clickable markers (with optional additional details) to jump to useful landmarks