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Post #1777607
2026-03-27 19:30 UTC
@curiouserrandy I feel like I tried to directly address that fear:
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That's not to say that either of these is an inconsequential event -- they can be very consequential. And so folks I think feel motivated to push them to the higher standard.
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And in _this_ post, I'm not trying to address this fear being weaponized (agree it is, and that's a big problem, just not for this post).
All I'm trying to highlight that the standard we reach for to address this fear shouldn't be the _same_ standard that we use for state-backed "ostracization" of incarceration and physical violence. The standard that is used there is probably not well optimized for addressing the real, but categorically lower, risks of ostracization from an OSS community or collection of work colleagues.
And when we *do* reach for that higher standard, it gives IMO a very damaging impression of conflating these two risks as of a similar magnitude. But banning you from an online space is very different from physical assault, hand cuffing, and incarceration. =/
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@chandlerc No argument with any of what you say. And I solidly agree with your basic point, that the standards that are appropriate in the legal world, that are backed by the state monopoly on violence, aren't the right standards for how to manage ostracization in other communities.
But my gut is that the consequences are different in type, not, or not just, in degree. And that feels like it needs to be incorporated as well. Fines and incarceration by the legal system may not alienate you from your community (there's at least one case in my community were it emphatically hasn't), and I believe we're hard wired to be concerned about our relationship with our communities in a different way than our freedom and finances.
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