Post #1394352

2024-06-19 04:52 UTC

@dalias @mhoye Nothing happens automatically here... It's a command you have to run. Yeah it was poorly documented that it's essentially a factory reset and that has since been corrected. By your own argument, the presence of rm makes your system exclusive to landlords, whatever that means. Which is silly. tmpfiles is not a conspiracy to secretly run rm -rf /home on your system when you're not looking. It's a tool that creates /home on first boot, told by user to delete everything it created

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@dalias@hachyderm.io 2024-06-19 04:59

@AdrianVovk @mhoye No, rm explicitly deletes what you ask it to delete. It's not "delete everything 'managed', and oh, btw, your homedir is managed because we designed for enterprise & landlords over normal ppl".

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@mhoye@mastodon.social 2024-06-19 14:31

@AdrianVovk @dalias Something _absolutely does_ happen "automatically" here. The Systemd team has created a program _named for managing temp files_ that automatically and invisibly started including homedirs, a "feature" that was in turn invisibly included in an update, nowhere in which the words "tmpctl" and "/home" appear in the same sentence. I have no idea what train of thought makes you believe this kind of user-hostile nonsense is reasonable, justifiable or excusable.

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@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run 2024-06-19 15:14

@AdrianVovk @dalias @mhoye containers are landlord software too btw which is why the justification for this "feature" assuming the primacy of the container environment to make remotely any sense rankles quite a bit and further justifies the accusation. rm is something users can run to manage their own system instead of entirely delegating that functionality to a third party upstream project (vs a distro who actually represents their users) optimizing entirely for cloud hosts because they make them money, unlike actual human beings. so yeah, landlord

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@sgf@mastodon.xyz 2024-06-23 15:49

@AdrianVovk @mhoye There's some irony that as an SRE I'm about as computer-landlord-y as it gets, but even if rm isn't a landlord conspiracy, it (and the UNIX way) is a reliability disaster. Maybe appropriate for small systems 40 years ago, but a menace today! Similarly, having a command "systemd-tmpfiles --purge" delete your home dir... and blaming the user for not thoroughly reading the docs first is aggressively user-hostile. It's a reliability nightmare, and we should be doing better!

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