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Someone who **thinks!** Slightly-incorrect-framing, but you *are* onto something.. Having women train males in social-process-competence ( & therefore in social-process-*confidence* ) *would* be good/useful. ( I'm an old male mind, btw, not a wymmin, obviously : ) The problem's more-fundamental than social-behavior, though: People can be in the mere-animal stages-of-unconscious-mind-development, in which case unconsciousness, identity, hormones, & ego rule the whole world, XOR people can be in *self-conquering* condition. Civilization has eradicated that from our lives. Tribal-villages *used to* allow males to measure themselves against the forces-of-nature until self-conquering was earned ( a kind of training which had a *terrible* slaughter-rate, for the number of successes ). When we switched to feudalism, & industry-feudalism/oligarchy, we never put a *proper* growing-up-means for the more-testosterone-driven humans, so we *broke* self-conquering, leaving toxic-masculinity to fester.. It isn't domineering-others, it is conquering-one's-self, that is the ultimate Male condition, but *the whole world* ignores that, because the systems & processes in-place eradicate the *potential* from all the lives that the systems/processes can. --- There was an article in Reader's Digest, possibly last-century, & a principal at a school had failed, & failed, & failed, to communicate to parents how *different* the learning-process NEEDS to be, for the yin ( girls, in his mind: I'm the one who threw-away the sex/gender, leaving only the yin/yang ), vs the yang. Finally he knew: He got the kids divided in the gym, girls on 1 side, boys on the other, & the parents up in the bleachers. He asked the kids: "Who of you would rather learn in a quiet library?" Nearly-all girls, few boys, hands went up. "Who of you would rather learn in a boisterous classroom?" Nearly-all boys, few girls, hands went up. NOW the parents understood!! The process **required** for growing-up boys *is pushier* than the process required for growing-up girls!! There's a book ( glanced into the sample of it ) called "Balls: It Takes Some To Grow Some", written by a trans-man, iirc.. It's on the nature of male-culture.. The Problem, is that the "education" we've established on all kids DOESN'T respect yin-vs-yang nature, OR different-learning-speeds-in-different-subjects, OR truth, not institutional-authority, is THE decider of what is right ( teachers can be wrong ), OR correcting-the-learning-materials-when-they're-wrong, etc.. The WHOLE THING is "educating" our lives into defectiveness, instead of autonomy, competence, capability, & understanding. & when you *begin with that bedrock* .. what kind of "masculinity" is going to grow?? Certainly-not the *right* kind, eh? The more intellectually-pushy a learner is, the more-intellectually-pushy the training needs to be. The more physically-pushy a learner is, the more-physically-pushy the training needs to be. Etc. With *the goal* being self-conquering, which isn't even on humankind's map, at the moment. --- That social-process-training would do actual ( needed! ) good for many men, *due to the wrong-education they were subjected-to* is true. But correcting-the-problem required re-engineering "education" into being *growing* lives, not breaking them for institutional-authority's-comfort, as John Taylor Gatto, NY State Teacher of the Year Award winner, learned. ( he discovered, after trashing his teaching-career by telling the truth, in the research he did later, that it was the *coal industry* who had paid for the education-establishment, so as to *prevent* any more Lincoln or Franklin types from occurring, & it worked ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto#Main_thesis John Taylor Gatto is the one who explained that a VALID ( & **knowing** they are valid ) child *isn't* manipulateable-by-the-institution the way the institution requires, for *its* status, among institutions, to be produced.. but a **broken** child, dependent on provisionally-bestowed-by-the-institution "approval", IS manipulateable. THAT cracked-open much of middle-class-institution/gov't-institution bullying, for me ( gov't towns are worst for that ). Social-competence, with associated social-confidence, is required, & your idea is right in correcting that problem.. but that problem isn't the fundamental one. ( also, broken-parenting due to parents not having livingwage, thereby *economically enforcing* attachment-disorder, is another fundamental-cause of the problems our current world is embodying ) --- You wanted males NOT contributing in the discussion, so downvote me, all, but the points stand on their-own, because they *test to be true*, & in *my* values, truth has rights, including the right-to-be-seen/heard. --- _ /\ _