Post #1242571

2026-04-15 06:43 UTC

Reminds me of the final pages of chapter 3 of the second volume of [Maus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus) (1991) in which a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust acts egregiously and unrepentantly racist to a black hitchhiker, surprising a friend who thought that the suffering would have engendered empathy for discriminated races. ::: spoiler page 259 of 296 ![](https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsopuli.xyz%2Fpictrs%2Fimage%2Fffc188a8-560f-4388-bfa4-c06960b170ad.webp) ::: Torture damages people, plain and simple; don't expect victims to gain wisdom or empathy from the process. So, maybe don't give them nukes and back the religious megalomaniacs among them who end up committing the same genocidal practices against others such as the Palestinians.

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@dansemacabreingalone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-04-15 21:24

These arent victims. These are people who shared an ethnicity with and largely derided those victims. They are not traumatized. They wete started before world war two by a literal cecil rhodes fanboy. They had an SS unit. They attempted to fully ally with the nazi regime, and the only reason they didnt is because *hitler* was the fucking voice of reason in that room. Imagine being so viciously genocidal and monsterous that literal adolf hitler is the fucking moderate who calls you crazy. I think its no longer politically safe totalk about the holocaust as something that happened to european jews. It did, but they were not the first group exterminated, and they were not the group most completely exterminated. They just took more work because there were so many of them and they were such a part of so many european cultures. Its no longer safe to be that sloppy and some correctives are called for. The holocaust happened to queers, ro roma, to communists. Some jews died there, but many did not. Most other groups targetted cannot say the same. Even today, there is no equivalent for queer culture to what berlin was before the nazis. The roma have not recovered fully. Political repression of the left has continued unabated. Speaking of the holocaust as a uniwuely or even primarily jewish suffering is just fucking zio shit.

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@MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2026-04-15 08:44

[There are something like 100k Israelis who are still alive and survived the Holocaust. ](https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2501536/number-of-living-holocaust-survivors-falls-to-196000-worldwide.html)That is mostly just due to the Holocaust ending over 80years ago and people die of old age. Honestly I dislike the constant Holocaust comparisons. They play into Israeli propaganda, as the connection between Israel and Jews is very obvious and Jews were the victims of the Holocaust. That makes Israel look like a victim just defending itself.

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