Post #1230223
2026-04-08 11:46 UTC
Replies (5)
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@Nalivai@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 12:51
The reasons those jobs are such shit is also money. A lot of people enjoy cleaning, nobody enjoys being overworked. Normal functioning societies don't leave heaps of stinking trash around, they neatly pack it and the work of a janitor of garbage collector becomes actually enjoyable if you're a proper type of personality. Hell, my uncle right now works as a part time street sweeper basically for free. He has his basic needs met by other means, and his "job" pays him enough to get a cup of coffee before the shift and a sandwich after. He just enjoys making the world cleaner, chatting with locals, taking care of stray cats, and having a routine. All of that is possible in a world that doesn't revolves around squeesing every bit of labour from people so some pedos can buy themselves another island and fill it with sex slaves
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@MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-04-08 12:41
Like, half of the jobs you listed would be automated out pretty quick in a world without money, out of the other ones, a few would be rendered obsolete without profit motive (pretty sure we can find something better for batteries than lithium, and why would you need someone scanning groceries if there was no money?). What's left can be rotated out or done by lottery, and those doing the undesirable labor get to have more luxury items or whatever. It's not hard to imagine, people have been doing it for centuries.
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@dejova281@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 17:55
> Nobody enjoys working in the middle of an australian desert at 40°C in a lithium mine. Believe it or not I’ve actually met someone who enjoys this line of work. He lives in the middle of nowhere in Paraburdoo Australia and loves the heat. _So not exactly nobody.._
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@PlexSheep@infosec.pub 2026-04-08 19:49
Capitalism is different from a regular market in that it is not just trying to make a profit in order to have enough money to exchange for useful goods and services. Capitalism demands that your profit grows and grows and grows. It's growth for it's own sake. A capitalistic economy like our world economy needs to grow 3% or so every year or it gets into a recession. 3% doesn't sound like much, but it's exponential growth, doubling every 25 years or so. This growth doesn't come out of thin air, but from extracting from value from other people, our world and so on. And measuring an economy by GDP is incomplete, because it doesn't take uncompensated labor, human happiness and wellbeing, and public goods (like a healthy nature) into account. When a factory owner pollutes and dries up the river while employees have no choice but to work 16 hour weeks, GDP goes up. In nature, things grow until they are mature. That does not mean progress halts. Adults don't grow anymore, but continue to learn. My try to explain why money and markets are okay, but growth for it's own sake (growthism you may call it) is destroying our societies, making us unhappy, and is also killing us with the climate and biodiversity crises.
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@paulcdb@lemmy.world 2026-04-08 21:09
> There's so many jobs that people don't enjoy but are necessary. I take it you asked all 7 (or whatever) billion then? > Nobody enjoys working in the middle of an australian desert at 40°C in a lithium mine. Who says they’d need to? You talk like someone would need to do that because right now capitalism demands more production! > Nobody enjoys collecting your stinking trash. Nobody enjoys sitting in a store for 8 hours a day, scanning groceries. Again, if we didn’t produce so much garbage, products with layer upon layer of plastic, we’d make glass and clay pots and grow, make and reuse locally making less garbage all the way but then in the 90s you had to collect bin bags off the street, now its all wheelie bins, if my health allowed I would happily go round collecting rubbish. Also I’ve had issues with drains in the past and when I asked them about the job, they actually enjoyed the challenge. So I think you’re confusing people who do a job because too much demand means people doing jobs for the money rather than less demand would actually mean people wouldn’t even need a set job. Feel like drains on Monday, go for it. Had enough and feel like helping someone tin food on Tuesday, go for it. Look at Animals, how many animals work 2 jobs just to survive? > Nobody enjoys working in a warehouse for 8 hours. Another thing thats only a thing because capitalism demands we keep producing more and more shit. That washing machine that used to last 10 years now breaks after the warranty because some riches want more money and power! It amazes me how blinded people are to a capitalist free world. Look at the waste now, the plastic pollution and then look carefully at the next package you buy and ask “does this really need ‘this’ much packaging? Do i care if this new spade I bought with all its shiny cardboard and plastic protection, arrived with a scratch? But even if the TV was scratched, does it really matter so long as it worked as intended? But then I have no kids of my own and every year I feel better not having brought kids into this mess because unless you’re born into money now there is very little to offer kids in the near future right. 😕