Post #1150141

2026-04-14 06:55 UTC

Yeah, what the fuck is this passage If you believe that If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies, then you should say that if anyone builds it, then everyone dies. Not moral blame. Cause and effect. Note that this is importantly different from ‘anyone who is trying to build it is a mass murderer.’ (note the rat-tic of using “importantly” as an adjective) This deftly evades the main question - how do we ensure that no-one builds it? There’s a host of options, and political violence is one of them. I guess categorically stating it’s off the table is a start, but Zvi has the moral gravitas of a dormouse. If I was of the political voilence bent I’d probably commit some just to spite him.

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@YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2026-04-14 20:30

It’s a willful refusal to actually consider the consequences of their beliefs, which is deeply ironic for a bunch that pride themselves on their hardcore consequentialism. Like, even if you just mean “if anyone builds it, everyone dies” as a simple cause and effect, that should imply some kind of action unless you don’t think everyone dying would be bad actually.

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@scruiser@awful.systems 2026-04-14 22:12

how do we ensure that no-one builds it? Eliezer made a lesswrong post yesterday where he explains that since anyone could build it, lone acts of violence are obviously ineffective and the only solution is the right and proper (“Lawful” as he calls it, sense he has been on a trend of DnD since writing Planecrash) state violence which can enforce a worldwide ban (which you may recall Eliezer has put at the absurdly low 8 2024 GPUs).

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